Fatima been high jacked first that discussing new basilica and imposter sister Lucia. 1960 Vatican II church is not catholic wake up people with your delusions. New mass new theology is not in continuity with sacred tradition.
Because Our Lady of Fatima has a feast day, and devotion to Her is universal, I doubt if the legitimacy of this most important apparition will ever be cancelled. It could unfortunately be downplayed, but never legally annulled.
The words....legitimacy....legal....mean nothing to Jorge & Tucho....Jorge has already shown how he can bulldoze his way through Tradition, Dogma & everything that is legitimate. Let's sit back and see what they try to pull off this time!!!
@Father Karl A Claver I agree with you, but I'm hesitant when I say that. It appears cancelling Fatima would be too evident to so many people, and the Vatican prefers small steps of ambiguous deception. However, it seems every time we say "Nah, the Vatican won't do THAT", they turn around and prove us wrong.
@samtheman Many Fatima theologians believe that the seventh appearance occurred when Sister Lucia left there for the Dorotheans, and Our Lady appeared to her. On that occasion Our Lady said nothing to Sr Lucia. I will have to dig out the quote, but Sr Lucia confirmed in writing that this happened.
A Fr. Rafferty in 1950 had an interesting tale about his conversation with Lucy posing that question to her. He implied by the smirk on her face and a twinkle in her eye that Our Lady would appear that seventh time.
@Live Mike Has there been a shred of solid evidence anywhere that Fatima will be 'cancelled' on May 17th? The speculations on this blog are not evidence. Fatima has been 'cancelled' for decades - since 1989 in fact, when the word went out from the Holy See that the Consecration of Russia had been done and again in 2000, when it was alleged that the entirety of the Third Secret had been released. I …More
@Live Mike Has there been a shred of solid evidence anywhere that Fatima will be 'cancelled' on May 17th? The speculations on this blog are not evidence. Fatima has been 'cancelled' for decades - since 1989 in fact, when the word went out from the Holy See that the Consecration of Russia had been done and again in 2000, when it was alleged that the entirety of the Third Secret had been released. I doubt if anything Tucho says or does will change that. Two of the seers are already canonised. One has been made Venerable. It would be very hard to discredit Fatima, any more than it has already been discredited.
Jorge & Tucho are capable of anything.....just look at what they have done already with the many heresies they have announced to the world. For them there are no boundaries!!!
It's already happened: machado-family.com/vol2/ From 'The Whole Truth about Fatima; by Frere Michel de la Sainte Trinite: " JUNE 16, 1921: THE FINAL GRACE FROM THE COVA DA IRIA «Without saying farewell to anyone, I left the next day at two o’clock in the morning, accompanied by my mother and a poor labourer named Manuel Correia, who was going to Leiria. I carried my secret with me, inviolate. We …More
It's already happened: machado-family.com/vol2/ From 'The Whole Truth about Fatima; by Frere Michel de la Sainte Trinite: " JUNE 16, 1921: THE FINAL GRACE FROM THE COVA DA IRIA «Without saying farewell to anyone, I left the next day at two o’clock in the morning, accompanied by my mother and a poor labourer named Manuel Correia, who was going to Leiria. I carried my secret with me, inviolate. We went by way of the Cova da Iria, so that I could bid it my last farewell. There, for the last time, I prayed my Rosary. As long as this place was still in sight, I kept turning around to say a last goodbye.» What Sister Lucy did not write in her Memoirs, but confided to Canon Galamba during the course of her pilgrimage to Fatima from May 20-22, 1946, is that Our Lady then favoured her with a new apparition: «She recalled to me (Canon Galamba writes) how, on the day of her farewell to the Cova da Iria and departure for Porto, she had seen Our Lady once more, at the bottom of the little hill which faces the steps going up to the church. “And She said nothing to you?” “Nothing.” But this vision, in this place and on this day, filled her soul with power to bear with love the cross which the Divine Spouse had placed upon her shoulders.»
“AFTERWARDS, I WILL COME BACK HERE A SEVENTH TIME.” This last sentence, long omitted by historians,212 no doubt because of its mysterious character, remains for us uncertain in meaning to this day. In 1946, during a brief stay at Fatima, Sister Lucy confided to Canon Galamba213 that Our Lady had appeared to her at the Cova da Iria on June 16, 1921, when she stopped there early in the morning before …More
“AFTERWARDS, I WILL COME BACK HERE A SEVENTH TIME.” This last sentence, long omitted by historians,212 no doubt because of its mysterious character, remains for us uncertain in meaning to this day. In 1946, during a brief stay at Fatima, Sister Lucy confided to Canon Galamba213 that Our Lady had appeared to her at the Cova da Iria on June 16, 1921, when she stopped there early in the morning before leaving for the college of Vilar, at Porto. It was a silent apparition, solely to comfort the little seer on this day, when she believed she was leaving Aljustrel and the Cova da Iria forever. Was this apparition the seventh one announced on May 13, 1917? Certain authors think so, and it is possible.214But has Sister Lucy affirmed it categorically? We do not know. While waiting for the decisive documents we cannot dismiss a priori the hypothesis of Father Martins dos Reis: «In spite of its material coincidence», he writes, «it is very doubtful that this seventh apparition, so strictly individual, corresponds to the seventh apparition promised on May 13, 1917. If we consider the first six, this promised seventh apparition seems to require and imply recipients and an audience of an equally general and collective character. We do not know what Lucy thinks of this, or even, as is most probable, whether she has concrete reasons for giving a judgment on this question... «Is this promised apparition in relation with the third part of the secret?... When the whole mystery of Fatima shall be completed?»215 According to this hypothesis, may we not hope that when all Her requests shall have been fully accomplished by the Holy Father and all the bishops of the world, Our Lady, full of kindness, will manifest Herself a seventh time in the Cova da Iria to mark the dawn of Her triumph?
Fr Rafferty meeting with Sr. Lucia "But in May, her first appearance, she had said, “I will come again a seventh time.” Father Luis objected and said, “I don’t think she said that!” And Lucy said, “Oh yes ! yes! Our Lady did say that!” I continued, “Now what did Our Lady mean? Has she already come the seventh time or is she yet to come? Because in my mind, there has always been the thought that …More
"But in May, her first appearance, she had said, “I will come again a seventh time.” Father Luis objected and said, “I don’t think she said that!” And Lucy said, “Oh yes ! yes! Our Lady did say that!” I continued, “Now what did Our Lady mean? Has she already come the seventh time or is she yet to come? Because in my mind, there has always been the thought that maybe if Our Lady is going to convert Russia she will come the way she came the last time at Fatima.— perhaps there will be a great manifestation there of the power of God and the influence of Our Lady. And I thought, well may THAT is the seventh coming.” Lucy was smiling but she said nothing. That was another question she wouldn’t answer but I think the fact that she wouldn’t answer it let me to believe that Our Lady has not come the seventh time. I asked Father Luis how it affected him. And it affected him the same way. He said he interpreted that to mean the same as I did. That Our Lady had not yet come the seventh time. The seventh coming- Will we suppose it to be an official coming? Something that will be connected in some way with the Worldwide message of Fatima. AT least that is a good thing to think about. Maybe in our day we will have a manifestation of Our Lady’s power and motherly concern. A seventh coming in fulfillment of her promise and perhaps if we all continue our work promoting the FIVE conditions of the Fatima message we in our day will see that other promise fulfilled – the conversion of Russia and Peace in our world."
Lucy was silent regarding Fr. Rafferty's question of Our Lady's 7th appearance, this being the year 1950, this might question Lucy's veracity . The fact she smiled and remained silent would suggest the 1921 visit was not this 7th appearance. Lucy should have shrugged her shoulders and said 'i don't know'. It would make more sense given the grand display of the Miracle of the Sun that a seventh time would be even a greater event ... as Mike points out, make manifest Her Triumph. It would also confirm that the Fatima message was alive and well despite the efforts of those in control of the message from Rome to either water down or delete the true intent of the message.
